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we saw with ronald reagan and bill clinton. with a second term and a better economy, you can achieve a lot and become quite popular in the process? does obama have that in him? what do you want him to do now that he has four more years? >> the big thing he has going for him, he has four years he doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected. they start these elections about two years ahead of time usually. and that's where their focus goes on how do i keep doing this job, whether i'm a senator, congressman, or whatever it is, if you are a career politician, you always look out for yourself first. when the president's in this position, having been elected a second time, now he has nothing to lose. >> where do you you this he's been weak and where does he need to be stronger? >> i think he's been weak. my son was a huge obama supporter until obama ordered that american's death with the drone and then he lost my son. my son was so offended that a president could kill a united states citizen without a trial, without anything like
we saw with ronald reagan and bill clinton. with a second term and a better economy, you can achieve a lot and become quite popular in the process? does obama have that in him? what do you want him to do now that he has four more years? >> the big thing he has going for him, he has four years he doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected. they start these elections about two years ahead of time usually. and that's where their focus goes on how do i keep doing this job, whether i'm a...
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reagan did it but that was one of the new worst presidents in the last hundred years to win a second bill kristol talked about this area well i mean out of this are the whole monologue in the beginning though and it's based on a faulty argument that tax rates and revenue are the same thing i'm not making an argument to you tom that no one here should pay taxes and finance items for the collective good that's not what i'm saying what i'm telling you is republicans we fail to make an argument that there is a tax rate sweet spot they had where you would generate revenue and not stifle the economy at the same time i don't think we're there i think we're still a bit too high although i think i don't think we're there either i mean if you look at the three decade period when america had its highest sustained growth of g.d.p. and best sustained growth of the middle class it was the fifty's sixty's and seventy's when the top tax rate was ninety one percent i think that's the sweet spot right but look at the reagan rates of twenty percent when you get out we had growth rates of seven five and
reagan did it but that was one of the new worst presidents in the last hundred years to win a second bill kristol talked about this area well i mean out of this are the whole monologue in the beginning though and it's based on a faulty argument that tax rates and revenue are the same thing i'm not making an argument to you tom that no one here should pay taxes and finance items for the collective good that's not what i'm saying what i'm telling you is republicans we fail to make an argument...
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college like we used to have before ronald reagan all across the united states or in many places it is certainly california is out for people say yes what are you willing to pay taxes for people say yes you are and you're willing to say yes well the majority the vast majority so you think you should be able to exit for that and all of our money yes i think redeploy i think we're all in on this. really more when there are these then we should reserve you using force to take my money should be reserved for areas of mass consensus i'm telling you you don't have the sixty five percent of americans in the exit polling after the last election so they thought the taxes should go a good forty nine percent of americans don't like obamacare so you're telling me that fifty one percent of america should be able to buy force take forty nine percent of america's money because you've declared it a mandate well that's how it works though they've done that so i don't that's a you know that is that was reagan said the same thing he said ok by force we're going to take a trillion dollars from people's mo
college like we used to have before ronald reagan all across the united states or in many places it is certainly california is out for people say yes what are you willing to pay taxes for people say yes you are and you're willing to say yes well the majority the vast majority so you think you should be able to exit for that and all of our money yes i think redeploy i think we're all in on this. really more when there are these then we should reserve you using force to take my money should be...
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it wasn't terribly long ago that ronald reagan won 49 states. that's a mandate. it's unthinkable that any candidate can win anywhere close to that. obama won a pretty impressive victory even without a serious third party candidate, he did not get 51% of the popular vote. he won 26 states to romney's 24 states. we'll see time after time very, very close elections. we need to rethink the negotiations of mandates and say this person won the presidency. they need to go forward with that agenda. >> what about the republicans? are they going to do a big rethink here? >> yes, and more than one. it was interesting that the republican governors happened to be meeting this week in las vegas when this news about the interesting comments that romney made to his donors that we just saw and the republican governors, bobby jindal of louisiana did not miss five seconds before they really denounced what romney was saying. the republicans have a lot of things to think about, not of which is their growing problem with hispanic voters. that is the big growing group in this country.
it wasn't terribly long ago that ronald reagan won 49 states. that's a mandate. it's unthinkable that any candidate can win anywhere close to that. obama won a pretty impressive victory even without a serious third party candidate, he did not get 51% of the popular vote. he won 26 states to romney's 24 states. we'll see time after time very, very close elections. we need to rethink the negotiations of mandates and say this person won the presidency. they need to go forward with that agenda....
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. >> ronald ra reagan did the same thing. inside the government of the united states. particularly at the pentagon, you can bring pressure to bear against the israeli defense forces by simply saying you know, those spare parts that you need, the maintenance chance that's got to be done on those aircraft, boy, that stuff is going to get there a little bit slower. it's happened before. eisenhower did it in '54. >> this is an area of the world you know very, very well. radical islamists you understand very well. we had the turkish prime minister saying israel is a terrorist straight. these are ec echoed by president morsi and by the prime minister who went to hang out with hamas, so the question is now israel is surrounded. they've got hezbollah on the north, they've got hamas, syria and egypt, and we've got a proxy war by iran. >> and great instability occurring in jordan. look. all of this goes back to things like benghazi because in the aftermath of this administration claiming all kinds of different things about the death of bin laden and now terrorism was done, the r
. >> ronald ra reagan did the same thing. inside the government of the united states. particularly at the pentagon, you can bring pressure to bear against the israeli defense forces by simply saying you know, those spare parts that you need, the maintenance chance that's got to be done on those aircraft, boy, that stuff is going to get there a little bit slower. it's happened before. eisenhower did it in '54. >> this is an area of the world you know very, very well. radical...
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when ronald reagan stood up for workers, when he stood up for the people and america did. and some good democrats did too. we were on the right side of history. >> we have a lot of work to do and i'm afraid that it's a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the iraq/pakistan border. >> the iraq/pakistan border. they do not share a border. iran was not training al qaeda operatives. ronald reagan did not cause the spring. that was his first year as governor of california. do you remember when up with chris hayes did the arm the ripples montage? >> we need to get a sanctuary for the free syrian army. we need to get them supplies. >> i do believe that as we have in the past, we can help facilitate weapons to get to the hands of the libyan military. those who are fighting against gadhafi. >> we should help them with arms. >> if not strategic air strikes, what if any military option would you think realistic and plausible? >> arming bosnians. >> his favorite approach bosnia, arm the rebels. his favorite approach to iraq, we should arm the rebels. his favorite ap
when ronald reagan stood up for workers, when he stood up for the people and america did. and some good democrats did too. we were on the right side of history. >> we have a lot of work to do and i'm afraid that it's a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the iraq/pakistan border. >> the iraq/pakistan border. they do not share a border. iran was not training al qaeda operatives. ronald reagan did not cause the spring. that was his first year as governor of...
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reagan did because they thought it was effective anti-- >> -- he is pettifogging the issue. it doesn't matter where it comes from millions of americans want them. at the want the government to provide. newt gingrich also slammed romney. >> i just think it's nuts. first of all, it's insulting, this is like wal-mart having a bad week and going the customers have been unruly the john of the political leader in part if we can't offer a better future that is believable to more people we are not going to win. >> bill: what does that mean, mr. speaker? is the republic party going to out entitlement the democrats? what does that mean? mitt romney's failure is very clear. he could not convince the majority of voters that he would look out for them. period. he could not outrage over $16 trillion debt or explain total nic collapse. romney was timid. he wasn't paul revere spreading the word about danger. what do you think those making less than $30,000 a year were voting for? what were they voting for? do you think they were voting for massive debt? were they voting for continued chaos
reagan did because they thought it was effective anti-- >> -- he is pettifogging the issue. it doesn't matter where it comes from millions of americans want them. at the want the government to provide. newt gingrich also slammed romney. >> i just think it's nuts. first of all, it's insulting, this is like wal-mart having a bad week and going the customers have been unruly the john of the political leader in part if we can't offer a better future that is believable to more people we...
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i would play this ronald reagan clip on social security. >> social security has nothing to do with the deficit. social security is totally funded by the payroll tax levyied on employer and employee. >> cenk: social security off the table, not having that conversation. medicare well, there was this guy who was running for vice president who had some ideas. let's find out how that turned out for him. >> option accounts for social security. [ buzzer ] >> cenk: wrong again bob. well he also had ideas on medicaid. >> what we're trying to do is cut medicaid food stamp reforms, education reforms for job training. couple these things by sending them back to the states in bloc grants. [ buzzer ] >> cenk: wrong again bob. you just ran an election on that and got your ass handed to you. i won. you lost. if you like we can do this again in 2014. 2014, 2014. they will bend if you have someone strong who actually cared to win. i'm keeping it real. when we come back, speaking of real, we'll go to the real housewives of the c.i.a. >> cause i'm honoring council so i have involume ability they should no
i would play this ronald reagan clip on social security. >> social security has nothing to do with the deficit. social security is totally funded by the payroll tax levyied on employer and employee. >> cenk: social security off the table, not having that conversation. medicare well, there was this guy who was running for vice president who had some ideas. let's find out how that turned out for him. >> option accounts for social security. [ buzzer ] >> cenk: wrong again...
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reagan with the blowing up of the u.s. marines in beirut. >> now david petraeus will testify about the benghazi attack tomorrow, exactly a week after he resigned cite an extramarital affair. and there is word secretary of state hillary clinton will testify on benghazi next month. here is the latest from the pentagon on the petraeus scandal. first let's get to katherine who is live in washington. katherine, the scope of all of this is pretty unusual. >> well those two classified hearings bring together the government's top intelligence and law enforcement officials. what was clear was the president's comments on ambassador susan rice is really getting some traction. one republican alleging that, quote, the president misinformed and lied to the american people over the benghazi affair. what was also clear is that the president wants to promote ambassador susan rice. even though she said benghazi was a spontaneous attack when it seemed clear it was terrorism. >> president obama has the gal to float the name of secretary of st
reagan with the blowing up of the u.s. marines in beirut. >> now david petraeus will testify about the benghazi attack tomorrow, exactly a week after he resigned cite an extramarital affair. and there is word secretary of state hillary clinton will testify on benghazi next month. here is the latest from the pentagon on the petraeus scandal. first let's get to katherine who is live in washington. katherine, the scope of all of this is pretty unusual. >> well those two classified...
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ronald reagan was the president. and david stockman, before he turned tail, was the budget director. but you know what? we had a ton of spending cuts. a ton of spending cuts. and i have the scars here on my back to show. >> i know. >> and people just go crazy. you've had the same experience. what i'm saying to you is this. before anybody talks about a dollar of new tax revenue, why haven't we exhausted every dollar of spending cuts? that's what -- before we even get to the revenue, why don't we go through spending? and i'm not -- yes, entitlement reform, but also there's a lot of inefficient and duplicative and whole agencies we don't need. before you talk about revenues, one nickel of rev few, why don't we have the conversation on spending? >> i don't know, larry. it's a tremendous frustration. we've seen this for a long, long time, both parties. we really do need a thorough scrub. and they've done it before. they come up with lots of program cancellations. and they never get through congress. we certainly need enti
ronald reagan was the president. and david stockman, before he turned tail, was the budget director. but you know what? we had a ton of spending cuts. a ton of spending cuts. and i have the scars here on my back to show. >> i know. >> and people just go crazy. you've had the same experience. what i'm saying to you is this. before anybody talks about a dollar of new tax revenue, why haven't we exhausted every dollar of spending cuts? that's what -- before we even get to the revenue,...
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that's something ronald reagan and jack kemp find of figured out how at least to sell a generation ago and this generation of republicans has yet to figure out. >> i guess i was one of the takers with the student loans. i'm one of the 47%. howard fineman, thank you. i think we all went to school on loans. have a nice thanksgiving. >>> coming up, so much has been made of the fact that president obama got only 39% of the white vote in this country. national problem for the president? not really when you realize in deep south mississippi he got about 10%. a lot of his problem is in the south. it's just the historic problem the democratic party, white or black candidates have this problem having a tough time. also the battle for hillary's job. it's getting hot. it's the first big decision president obama has to make since his re-election. it looks like it's between john kerry and u.n. ambassador susan rice. will the president go with the 2004 presidential candidate or his apparent favorite? and a report from gaza and the latest on the fighting there that i think could lead to a war with ir
that's something ronald reagan and jack kemp find of figured out how at least to sell a generation ago and this generation of republicans has yet to figure out. >> i guess i was one of the takers with the student loans. i'm one of the 47%. howard fineman, thank you. i think we all went to school on loans. have a nice thanksgiving. >>> coming up, so much has been made of the fact that president obama got only 39% of the white vote in this country. national problem for the...
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reagan on social security reform we can add years of solvency and to medicare and do it and increase benefits like with obama care and we need both sides to be willing. i know the democrats are willing. president obama's willing to sit down at the table. what we don't need to do i can tell you is cut benefits. that's something that i don't think is the first thing that should be put forward. we have a lot of opportunity to continue to make reforms in medicare, make sure we build in more efficiencies to the program so we can add the years of solvency. >> what about eligibility age change? >> well, eligibility age change would fall in the realm of benefit cuts. we need to focus like i said first on making sure we build in more efficiencies to the program. we have been able to from obama care make sure that with that $716 billion in savings plowed in to waste, fraud and abuse -- fighting waste, fraud and abuse we have collected more than $10 billion in fraudulent medicare payments and we can make more progress in that area, as well. >> thank you so much. i greatly appreciate you joining
reagan on social security reform we can add years of solvency and to medicare and do it and increase benefits like with obama care and we need both sides to be willing. i know the democrats are willing. president obama's willing to sit down at the table. what we don't need to do i can tell you is cut benefits. that's something that i don't think is the first thing that should be put forward. we have a lot of opportunity to continue to make reforms in medicare, make sure we build in more...
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art laugher, former economic advisor to president ronald reagan with me today. art, good morning to you and welcome back. >> how are you, bill? bill: doing fine. thank you for your time. i look at some issues share with producers today. you say this is really serious and you underscore that. everybody considers it serious. you worked at the white house. you were in on these meetings. is this a forum for negotiation or is this -- what happens? >> it is a little talking to. they will both come in with their sides, their positions. there will be some sort of testing of the waters. we will see how responses are afterwards. we'll see aggressive play. then you will see which side starts giving in. we'll be following that in the next couple weeks. but obama has made it very clear, he believes he has a mandate but he really doesn't. he only got barely over 50% of the vote. reagan got 59% of the vote in his second term. the nixon won everything except massachusetts. so this is by no means a mandate. republicans still control the house. bill: let me be a little more speci
art laugher, former economic advisor to president ronald reagan with me today. art, good morning to you and welcome back. >> how are you, bill? bill: doing fine. thank you for your time. i look at some issues share with producers today. you say this is really serious and you underscore that. everybody considers it serious. you worked at the white house. you were in on these meetings. is this a forum for negotiation or is this -- what happens? >> it is a little talking to. they will...
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i thought ronald reagan had a fairly successful second term and bill clinton's was marred by his own personal issues. second trerms difficult. w. had a dficult time. one of the things i think they underestimate at the white house and the treasury is the idea of doing tax reform. when you both were probably in preschool, i was covering the '85, '86, tax reform act, and to call it heavy lifting is an understatement. it took a savvy, smart treasury secretary, jim baker, working with capitol hill and a supportive president, and democrats and republicans. i don't see any of those ingredients today to do tax reform in 2013, 2014. >> especially ifhe esident going to have a new treasury secretary. itim geithner, this has sort of been his-- tim geithner wanted to be behind tax reform, wanted to be the force behind corporate tax reform. that might speak to tim geithner staying on a little long fer they think they can get something done in the first six months. >> why is anything different now? why is anything different in the second term? >> good point. >> i'll turn the hosting to you. >> mart
i thought ronald reagan had a fairly successful second term and bill clinton's was marred by his own personal issues. second trerms difficult. w. had a dficult time. one of the things i think they underestimate at the white house and the treasury is the idea of doing tax reform. when you both were probably in preschool, i was covering the '85, '86, tax reform act, and to call it heavy lifting is an understatement. it took a savvy, smart treasury secretary, jim baker, working with capitol hill...
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reagan was with the blowing up of the u.s. marines in beirut. >> this administration continues to put out things that are just not quite true. >> smear, character assassination, judgment before all the facts are in. >> we're getting that video in. house and senate committees will both hearings tomorrow as we reported a few minutes ago. former cia director david petraeus is expected to testify. you see some of the tone and tenor of what will perhaps happen behind closed doors tomorrow. i'm tamron hall. you can watch "news nation" every day 2:00 p.m. eastern time. "the cycle" is up next. into their work, their name on the door, and their heart into their community. small business saturday is a day to show our support. a day to shop at stores owned by our friends and neighbors. and do our part for the businesses that do so much for us. on november 24th, let's get out and shop small. challenge the need for such heavy measures with olay. regenerist micro-sculpting serum for firmer skin in 5 days. pretty heavy lifting for such a lig
reagan was with the blowing up of the u.s. marines in beirut. >> this administration continues to put out things that are just not quite true. >> smear, character assassination, judgment before all the facts are in. >> we're getting that video in. house and senate committees will both hearings tomorrow as we reported a few minutes ago. former cia director david petraeus is expected to testify. you see some of the tone and tenor of what will perhaps happen behind closed doors...
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the fact is it was an obama squeaker and if the republicans had put up a better candidate as ronald reagan got put up against jimmy carter, president obama would be unemployed right now. what do i think he wants to do? i think he wants to pursue his ideology. i don't think it's about economy. he told us what his ideology is. he told us, you didn't do that. i'm in the middle of silicon valley. we did that. we invented things. we changed the world. the way you and i are talking to each other coast to coast, we did that. it wasn't the government because they put in sidewalks and put stripes on the roads. but he believes that people -- that entrepreneurs and businesses don't do stuff. he believes the large, collective central organization, the government, is what does stuff. >> how do we get the free market back, t.j.? how do we get this whole great american economic country of ours back on the free market path? that's what i need to know. >> let me give you the bad answer. i think it's probably an accurate answer. we've had 12 years of economic mismanagement. this is not an obama/democrat pro
the fact is it was an obama squeaker and if the republicans had put up a better candidate as ronald reagan got put up against jimmy carter, president obama would be unemployed right now. what do i think he wants to do? i think he wants to pursue his ideology. i don't think it's about economy. he told us what his ideology is. he told us, you didn't do that. i'm in the middle of silicon valley. we did that. we invented things. we changed the world. the way you and i are talking to each other...
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when ronald reagan was president we had most -- we had about 10% or so out of marriage. now we are looking at 40% out of marriage. we have become a very different country. we have also become a country that expects to get benefits. when you expect to get benefits, somebody has to deliver those benefits. stuart: has president obama encouraged that by giving more stuff and encouraging people to vote for the guy that gives you more stuff? >> well, he has put it on steroids. it is not overnight that this has happened. we have filled out these ideas in our youth, especially through our government schools that they are entitled to benefit. what we have seen in the last four years is much more activity. when you have peter and paul and it is okay to take from peter to pay paul, then, yes, you have more false. stuart: you will not disagree with this, will you, charles? >> absolutely not. stuart: i did not know what we do about this. i am saying that society has changed. we are now a nation of takers. how do we change that, charles? >> everyone wants free stuff. i am sure i get y
when ronald reagan was president we had most -- we had about 10% or so out of marriage. now we are looking at 40% out of marriage. we have become a very different country. we have also become a country that expects to get benefits. when you expect to get benefits, somebody has to deliver those benefits. stuart: has president obama encouraged that by giving more stuff and encouraging people to vote for the guy that gives you more stuff? >> well, he has put it on steroids. it is not...
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reagan did. >> when you talk about pulling that coalition together, how do you do that? in this election, the republicans lost every group of color, african-americans, they lost asian-americans, they lost hispanic americans. yes, you need to bring that coalition together but the question is how do you do it? >> politics is a game of inches. you try to improve with every conceivable subset across the country in these communities. they way you do it is a lot like in your personal life. you're making riche ing relatio friendships and talk to them to see what they think are the policies to make this country better. president george w. bush did that well and other republicans inside the party do that extremely well in addition to him. the key is this. our party does not need to change its beliefs. its beliefs are still very popular across the country. i think the way we've explained what we want to do has really fallen short and that's the easier problem to fix. >> i want to read you something from "politico" this week. "the people have spoken. i think we're going to have to
reagan did. >> when you talk about pulling that coalition together, how do you do that? in this election, the republicans lost every group of color, african-americans, they lost asian-americans, they lost hispanic americans. yes, you need to bring that coalition together but the question is how do you do it? >> politics is a game of inches. you try to improve with every conceivable subset across the country in these communities. they way you do it is a lot like in your personal...